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The kind of client you are makes the astrologer you should get

Posted by Wroskopos on April 4, 2010


When in search for astrological insight, people are in loss of where to look in order to find a “good astrologer”. Usually a friend or chance dictates the astrologer who will delineate the client’s chart. A recommendation, or an advertising in a magazine, or an article about astrology that attracted our attention will point us to an astrologer.
It is hard to find a good astrologer but how do we classify “good”? A good theoretical knowledge and years of successful field experience should do it, no? Well, not exactly.

In 20th century, psychology became the absolute hype. The absolute fashion, the “it” thing to give us the most essential answers about the only thing we ended up caring for: ourselves. Being sad was renamed to being depressed and from a natural experience it was deemed a psychological disorder. Being rationally worried was renamed to having anxiety and stress.
The predominance of psychology spread its influence in many science and arts, affecting the Art of Prediction as well. Like what happened with psychiatry, astrology didn’t escape exaggerations and the focus on personal sentiments overcame a balance between events related astrology and inner reflections in a chart. What we ended up mostly having nowadays, is the most egomaniac and emotion-centered astrology in ages. Is that bad? Not really, a product is the result of a need. Many customers crave exactly that aspect of astrology, it would be perhaps short-sighted to dismiss that.

The average modern customer of an astrologer wants to hear about one’s psychological traits and the psychological impact of an incident rather than know what the incident will be. Is rare to find a customer who asks about hard cold facts like it used to happen in the far past. Is therefore, not a surprise or a coincidence at all, that we often see astrologers having some psychology studies and degrees, or astrologers presenting themselves as “life coaches”.
Once upon a time, astrology was factual. Back then it also was a science.

Is there anything wrong about this? Wrong and right are philosophical concepts, far too complex to be analyzed here. The fact astrology took a psychological turn, can be an addition to sociological theses as an aspect of 20th century industrially progressed societies but, it doesn’t necessarily render modern astrology a “bad” thing.
It would be an oversight not realizing things happen for a reason and the emotion-centered astrology is the product of the needs humans had in the last century. Many clients needed to know how a transit or natal position would affect their inner world, their sentiments and feelings. In their search for answers in “why I feel like this?”, “why am I feeling that bad/such a loser/so depressed/so unhappy/ so angry/so without HOPE?”, psychological astrology was one of the most common *tools* we could use to get the desired answers in the search of ourselves.

How is all this connected to what kind of astrologer one should find?

There are two main kinds of good and valuable astrologers you can find, the scholar and the phychologist. Their ethics and approaches differ:

1. The traditional scholar. She is very mercurian (a dignified mercury), she studies and then studies more and likes FACTS, proofs and is direct. She is cold comparing to the following category of astrologers and prefers truth than elaborate lies. Even if that truth makes you feel bad, is still the truth and is unethical to hide it.

2. The psychologist. She is tender and seems caring and considerate and will go in depths analyzing every petty or important FEELING you may experience. Facts are too mundane for her, if a fact is detrimental it is unethical to disclose it to the client. You will get a lot of compassion and understanding and probably accurate insights of your feelings that could be of help to your pshychologist.

To give a gross example of delineation from each type, let’s accept a possible future incident “client’s beloved dog dies in a hideous car accident”. Let’s assume that both our astrologers are very good and see the incident in the chart.
The 1st type will say something like “your dog will die next month and it will be a violent death but you will overcome it”.
The 2nd type will say something like “next month you will experience intense emotions, even shock but you will overcome it”.
It doesn’t matter which prediction is the better one – we can not dismiss either as objectively bad; only subjectively. One judges that by one’s personal preconceptions. For me, who are into traditional, factual, event, “objective” astrology, to tell me how I will feel without telling me why I will experience those feelings, is blurring the picture and hiding ; it is unethical. My feelings will not create that particular event, it is the event that will determine my feelings. In short, give me the CAUSE, not the psychology please.
For someone else, the vivid cold event prediction of the 1st type, can be a most unwelcome interpretation of no use except creating unwanted and detrimenting panic.

Bottomline?

Ideally an astrologer should mix discretion with Art and is hard to find a clear demonstration of the aforementioned 2 types; it is usually a mix. In every astrologer though, you will notice a certain disposition in the kind of readings they prefer doing and how they address them. In the modern times, you will find far more astrologers of the second kind, their mix being 30% facts- 70% emotion analysis. Kindness and understanding with all the truth and all the facts is an ideal conception – it is too tough to find the golden middle ground. Some areas are too hot to go into, death being one of those areas yet, some clients want to learn how and when they die while most hate even the mention of death.
No matter how typically good the astrologer is, what matters in the end, is how the client feels about their readings. What the client expects and wants is what sets the kind of astrologer they should get. They should find the astrologer that complies to what deep inside you are after. The judge of a reading is the client. Let’s see how two imaginary clients approach the readings.

Mary says: I got a reading from an astrologer of the 2nd type, I left the counseling with contempt. I didn’t need a self-appointed shrink, I would have gone to a real shrink if I wanted that. I wanted facts, I wanted to know about what happens in the future and all I got was generalizing about how I feel and the emotional paterns in my chart. Who cares about that – jee are there are people who are so dumb they can’t understand themselves? And what makes her think I am one of those? How insulting. What a waste of my time and money!

John says: I went to the 1st type and she was cruel and annoying. She even told me which of my parens dies first! I didn’t want that! It scared me, I just wanted to know why I feel so terrible since last year, why I am so sensitive and depressed and how to overcome this. Who cares if I buy a car next year – I want to know my true self. I will never go back, she tried to sound compassionate but she didn’t really care how I felt, was more eager to show off her expertise than to care for her customer!

If Mary and John switch astrologers, they will both get the counseling they want. They both will be happy with their astrologer. Before you reject astrology, try to get a reading from an astrologer that suits your needs and personality better.
If at the end, you do not find someone to satisfy you, then it may be time perhaps, to start learning astrology and find your own answers, the way you want them.



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Where is he?

Posted by Wroskopos on March 5, 2010

A simple and clear question of locating a person’s current whereabouts. We do not care about the querent, or feelings or future actions. This means we will directly address the quesited’s significator, its dispositor and the moon. There is no need to check irrelevant factors. Glory in simplicity.

Delineation

The querent gets the first house in Sagittarius and its ruler Jupiter fits our querent having a Sagittarius ascendant herself.
The quesited is assigned the 7th house. His ruler is Mercury, which again fits as he is a young man.

Where is our significator (Mercury)? In the 5th house of fun and creativity. What kind of entertainment does Taurus stand for? As the earthy domicile of Venus is connected with beauty, grace and pleasure in a more tangible way, food and throat. Banquets and music and dancing and paintings.
So, he is somewhere having fun. A dancing or music hall – a public banquet is less likely but not out of the question. Could be a country picnic.
POF (Part of Fortune) – the most important Lot for lost items/people, is also in taurus and 5th house.
Alright so, he is having fun, that is a good indication.

Mind you this is querent’s 5th house; not the turned 5th house. The chart speaks in terms our querent will understand, it is her chart and made the question for herself, the location will be judged by how she sees it.
Turning the houses, Mercury is in his own 11th house of friends and large social groups.He could be socializing on the internet for example (if we go after a rather modern approach). We need more indications to pin the exact location and make sure picking the 5th house was the right choice.

Let’s fine-tune this by using Venus as she disposits by rule, term and face our Mercury. She has just stepped back in retrograde motion into Pisces, her exaltation. A very wet sign and Venus is a cold and moist planet.

What is Moon doing? She is conjunct 12th house cusp, in detriment in Scorpio. Gets worst, Moon is right on the “accursed degree” on Serpentis. Is this bad? Moon also shows the querent’s sentiments or mind if you prefer the term. Being on the cusp of the 12th in this case, shows the querent fears something really bad has happened but, not a bad outcome on its own.
Moon tells us something more: She too is cold and moist and Scorpio – like Pisces – is also a wet sign and both signs often stand for stagnant waters.

Now we are getting somewhere. Mercury is disposited by a cold and moist planet, moon is also cold and moist, both are in wet signs.

Adding the information of the sign Mercury is, the person we inquired for a location, is in a recreation area that is wet and very cold, possibly stagnant waters, having fun. Is rather unlikely he is in a wet banquet or in a wet and cold art exhibition (not much fun there). A cold and wet opera house is an also unlikely option. A wet-shirt beach competition with barbeque would be a viable option if we had not get the many “cold” indications.
Mixing “discretion with art” directs us to chose the obvious that connects all indications: what is cold and wet and stagnant waters with dancing and/or music and fun?

Mind that all along, all we were after was a location and its attributes. We didn’t ask for action so we had no need to take aspects in consideration.

Outcome

Upon return he contacted our querent, confirmed he was ice skating in an open, public ice ring and added it also was raining lightly hindering the nearby band.





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Via Combusta ©

Posted by Wroskopos on November 19, 2009

Merely adding copyright (without editing the first post as to preserve date).

The “burnt pathway”, the “burned road”. Doesn’t sound too good, does it?
Via Combusta is an important celestial area for astrology. It extends on the zodiac area between 15 degrees Libra and 15 degrees Scorpio. Is considered a gloomy, baleful area, often prognosticating bad luck and overall destruction to the question asked if a significator planet happens to be within those degrees in a Horary chart.

The two malefics are controlling its tolls, Saturn being in Exaltation in Libra and Mars is both Domicile and ruling the Triplicity in Scorpio. Additionally, the two luminaries suffer afflictions, as Sun is in Fall in Libra and Moon Falls in Scorpio, adding to an overall ominous combination.

An example to get the picture: Suppose you are under aged and your parents go on a short journey. A great opportunity for a party arises so you call friends in. Alas, two very mean guys show up too, both older and stronger than you and both the worst type of persons one can find. You are too weak to get rid of them or just hope nothing too bad will happen. So, the Malefics are having a party time at your expense and the two major forces, your parents (the luminaries), are away on a trip, unable to protect the house. Chances are, some very nasty things will happen.

In classical astrology, any planet on this part of the sky was supposed to be badly influenced and a barer of bad luck. Horary astrologers take great notice of whether the ascendant of the question or -worse- Moon herself lies in Via Combusta as it makes the chart difficult to interpret (positively at least).
As the moon is the most essential celestial body in Horary, is always considered a bad omen for the outcome or the interpretation of any question to find it on Via Combusta. Moon can’t perform properly here, is unlucky, distressed and unpredictable. We are warned by Lilly, Al Biruni and Bonatius to defer judgment when Moon is in Via Combusta as Moon is afflicted. Culpeper writes “beware of the end of Libra and the beginning of Scorpio” and Gadbury elaborates that “things go unluckily on and the astrologer should understand the question perfectly avoiding a poor judgment”.
So far, every time I have seen a Moon in Via Combusta, with the exception of being right on Spica (an oasis of good luck in the burned road, posited on about 25th degrees of Libra), proves to give a negative outcome for the question.
Caution here: not a negative “answer” necessarily, a negative “outcome”.

Concerning Horary charts, the ascendant on Via Combusta renders the Querent on unlucky terms. May just be scared and expecting a disaster or can pretty much already experiencing that disaster, especially if his Significator planet also treads the burnt way. The rest of the planets are not that important, unless they are significators able to perform in the particular question.

In certain questions, such as pregnancy ones, Moon on Via Combusta can give a detrimental outcome. Remember here that when moon enters Scorpio it also enters its own fall. Finding for example a child’s significator or the moon in Via Combusta and Scorpio, assuming that we have no -extremely- strong positive indications pointing to a different outcome, it can show us an abortion or literally a fall of the child, a miscarriage. Please, do not jump in conclusions by merely seeing a single significator on Via Combusta. You should consider the overall testimonies of the chart, given by the receptions, houses and aspects.
What could add more jinx-factor to a chart apart a significator or the moon herself on Via Combusta? Well, we still have the Nodes of the Moon. Either North or South, they both will bring an unlucky or downright disastrous incident. Even more so, if the are in conjunction bodily, by parallel or antiscia with our Moon or our Significators. Nodes however have this jinxy influence on their own and they deserve their own article in the future.

A legitimate question is whether Via Combusta still lies in the same degrees it did in ancient and medieval times. Precession of the equinoxes has moved the signs forward on the ecliptic and so today’s Via appears in different degrees than it did in Ptolemy’s or Lilly’s times. Using sidereal charts in comparison to tropical ones, we can see that the ‘burned way’ today lies between Scorpio and Sagittarius. As a result, using sidereal charts for Horary will give us completely different Via Combusta degrees and therefore different interpretations. Which is the correct approach?
Having in mind precession, I study whether the ill influence of the Via is based upon its position on the ecliptic or somewhere beyond, and I believe that it still is in relatively the same position in relation to earth that it used to occupy two thousand years ago and therefore, still giving the same results it used to give in medieval times by using tropical geocentric charts.

 

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Via Combusta

Posted by Wroskopos on June 30, 2009

The “burnt pathway”, the “burned road”. Doesn’t sound too good, does it?
Via Combusta is an important celestial area for astrology. It extends on the zodiac area between 15 degrees Libra and 15 degrees Scorpio. Is considered a gloomy, baleful area, often prognosticating bad luck and overall destruction to the question asked if a significator planet happens to be within those degrees in a Horary chart.

The two malefics are controlling its tolls, Saturn being in Exaltation in Libra and Mars is both Domicile and ruling the Triplicity in Scorpio. Additionally, the two luminaries suffer afflictions, as Sun is in Fall in Libra and Moon Falls in Scorpio, adding to an overall ominous combination.

An example to get the picture: Suppose you are under aged and your parents go on a short journey. A great opportunity for a party arises so you call friends in. Alas, two very mean guys show up too, both older and stronger than you and both the worst type of persons one can find. You are too weak to get rid of them or just hope nothing too bad will happen. So, the Malefics are having a party time at your expense and the two major forces, your parents (the luminaries), are away on a trip, unable to protect the house. Chances are, some very nasty things will happen.

In classical astrology, any planet on this part of the sky was supposed to be badly influenced and a barer of bad luck. Horary astrologers take great notice of whether the ascendant of the question or -worse- Moon herself lies in Via Combusta as it makes the chart difficult to interpret (positively at least).
As the moon is the most essential celestial body in Horary, is always considered a bad omen for the outcome or the interpretation of any question to find it on Via Combusta. Moon can’t perform properly here, is unlucky, distressed and unpredictable. We are warned by Lilly, Al Biruni and Bonatius to defer judgment when Moon is in Via Combusta as Moon is afflicted. Culpeper writes “beware of the end of Libra and the beginning of Scorpio” and Gadbury elaborates that “things go unluckily on and the astrologer should understand the question perfectly avoiding a poor judgment”.
So far, every time I have seen a Moon in Via Combusta, with the exception of being right on Spica (an oasis of good luck in the burned road, posited on about 25th degrees of Libra), proves to give a negative outcome for the question.
Caution here: not a negative “answer” necessarily, a negative “outcome”.

Concerning Horary charts, the ascendant on Via Combusta renders the Querent on unlucky terms. May just be scared and expecting a disaster or can pretty much already experiencing that disaster, especially if his Significator planet also treads the burnt way. The rest of the planets are not that important, unless they are significators able to perform in the particular question.

In certain questions, such as pregnancy ones, Moon on Via Combusta can give a detrimental outcome. Remember here that when moon enters Scorpio it also enters its own fall. Finding for example a child’s significator or the moon in Via Combusta and Scorpio, assuming that we have no -extremely- strong positive indications pointing to a different outcome, it can show us an abortion or literally a fall of the child, a miscarriage. Please, do not jump in conclusions by merely seeing a single significator on Via Combusta. You should consider the overall testimonies of the chart, given by the receptions, houses and aspects.
What could add more jinx-factor to a chart apart a significator or the moon herself on Via Combusta? Well, we still have the Nodes of the Moon. Either North or South, they both will bring an unlucky or downright disastrous incident. Even more so, if the are in conjunction bodily, by parallel or antiscia with our Moon or our Significators. Nodes however have this jinxy influence on their own and they deserve their own article in the future.

A legitimate question is whether Via Combusta still lies in the same degrees it did in ancient and medieval times. Precession of the equinoxes has moved the signs forward on the ecliptic and so today’s Via appears in different degrees than it did in Ptolemy’s or Lilly’s times. Using sidereal charts in comparison to tropical ones, we can see that the ‘burned way’ today lies between Scorpio and Sagittarius. As a result, using sidereal charts for Horary will give us completely different Via Combusta degrees and therefore different interpretations. Which is the correct approach?
Having in mind precession, I study whether the ill influence of the Via is based upon its position on the ecliptic or somewhere beyond, and I believe that it still is in relatively the same position in relation to earth that it used to occupy two thousand years ago and therefore, still giving the same results it used to give in medieval times by using tropical geocentric charts.

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